September 20, 2007 (workshop log file)

the benefits of meditation, travel Meditation to Malkuth with Experiences; the 4 worlds of Malkuth, crystal road, birdman, Horus, the dragon

September 20, 2007 (workshop log file)

Session Start: Thu Sep 20 15:23:35 2007
Session Ident: #energyworks
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* Topic is 'workshop on Thursday with Iris: group travel meditation'
* Set by attuned!skds@4-9.dsl.iskon.hr on Mon Sep 17 12:49:05
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<attuned> wb ana
<ana181> tkx
<ana181> can you write again to me the indications from Iris?
<attuned> about meditation?
<ana181> yes.
<attuned> sure
<ana181> why i cant see what I wrote?
<attuned> change the font color
<ana181> i did
<attuned> try some other color
<ana181> k
<attuned> there
<ana181> no black tonight :))
<ana181> i know...but i cant write <normal>
<ana181> i will be red tonight...
<attuned> so here:
<attuned> [19:15] <attuned> Find yourself a quiet place with minimal disturbance. Be in a restful state of mind and quiet your thoughts. Then visualize yourself in a safe, protective bubble. Ask the spirit guides to keep out all negative energy and to fill the bubble with light and love and positive energy.
<attuned> [19:15] <attuned> Visualize the energy swirling around inside the bubble. You can visualize the energy entering from above through your head and down through the chakras or feel it entering through the solar plexus working up and around and through you. Think positive energy in, negative energy out.
<attuned> [19:15] <attuned> Then quiet your mind. You can imagine yourself in a peaceful place or feel the energy rising to make you feel lighter and lighter. Then just let yourself go with it.
<attuned> [19:15] <attuned> Tip from Iris - If it helps one can also focus on the breathing but don’t focus on the breathing so much that you miss the meditation.
<attuned> [19:15] <attuned> At the end of the meditation send off the excess energy to do some good – it can be to a person, a group, a situation – a good idea is sending energy to mother earth.
<ana181> thanks
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<LogoRat> oh group meditation
<attuned> :) hi logo
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<LogoRat> hi
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<LogoRat> any workshop today?
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<iris> Hi everyone
<LogoRat> hi iris
<iris> LogoRat, have you been with us before?
<LogoRat> yeah
<LogoRat> one time a few years ago i think
<LogoRat> or maybe 2 times
<iris> well, welcome back!
<LogoRat> thx ;)
<iris> we are scheduled for a group meditation today
<iris> do you meditate?
<attuned> hi iris
<iris> hi attuned
<iris> glad you could make it
<ana181> hi iris
<LogoRat> i meditate yes, but not as often as i should ..i blame life situation lol
<iris> that is the way it is with many of us
<LogoRat> better now days tho, alot more relaxed
<LogoRat> yeh
<iris> Hi anal181
<iris> It really doesn't take that much out of the day
<ana181> i was just listening what you said....
<iris> it's more like forming the habit to do it
<LogoRat> yeh its the habit
<ana181> yes i medidate....and i want to do it <regularly>
<iris> and finding the quiet place
<ana181> correct....
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<LogoRat> yeh i got this perfect "command"chair for meditation ;)
<ana181> :))
<orph> good evening ( :
<LogoRat> mostly i do walking meditation tho
<iris> see, part of it is having the place that you are comfortable in
<LogoRat> yeh
<iris> Hi orph, thanks for joining us
<orph> glad to be here again ( :
<ana181> we don't fallow logo style...but yes,I am agree with Iris....what about crowded places?
<iris> and walking meditation is fine - whatever works for you
<iris> some people can meditate anywhere
<iris> they have the ability to tune out distractions
<iris> others need the quiet and aloneness
<iris> you have to find what works for you
<ana181> k
<iris> just a few minutes a day to look inward and try to connect
<LogoRat> mmm
<iris> I like to use crystals when I meditate and that requires a special place to lay them out
<iris> those are travel meditations - like we are scheduled to do today
<orph> I'm at a friends house today, she has three really large selenite crystals here ^^
<orph> perfect for portals
<iris> but other meditations - sometimes just those few moments we need to regroup or rest we can do anywhere
<ana181> some of them I found them very powerful...
<ana181> rom energy point of view....
<iris> they can be very powerful
<iris> orph are you going to use the selenite today?
<orph> o yea
<iris> ok!
<iris> some meditations can be life changing - they are so powerful
<ana181> i prefer quartz...but today i just want to mediate without....
<iris> and sometimes we don't feel any effect but that doesn't mean there isn't any
<iris> I like quartz too
<ana181> happened to me both...but I have to admit that I don't let them to go to far...
<iris> but I add other things to my basic quartz
<ana181> still I am reserved to go too far....
<ana181> like what?
<iris> I understand - I remember feeling like that
<ana181> :))
<ana181> i use music and flowers...in combination with crystals....
<orph> what type of music?
<LogoRat> insents
<LogoRat> incense
<ana181> good point Logo....Orph,depends...of days and my needs...
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<iris> Hi Darlok
<Darlok> hey whatsup
<ana181> sometimes when I am too tired I prefer <soft> music ....waves of the see for ex...oropera...erdi for ex....
<iris> nice
<orph> I tried music for a while, but only hardcore music helped me get a trance like experience... but it's by far my favorite music type
<iris> knowing yourself helps knowing your needs and what works for you
<orph> by far not* forgot the not there
<orph> ^^
<ana181> is funny...Iris,but I learned that I don't need to try to hard....
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<iris> yes! that's the point - when it's difficult it's not right
<iris> hi Daniel794
<Daniel794> Hi :)
<LogoRat> someone once said that meditation is best used when you want to do it instead of having the idea that you have to do it
<iris> at advice
<iris> great advice
<iris> do when you want or feel the need to
<ana181> maybe is the curiosity and the joy that you can discover who you are ...in a very busy life...and from there we try <to hard>....
<iris> and meditation should take us away from that busy life for a little while
<iris> and when we let it flow we do find out who we are
<ana181> :))
<Daniel794> the last 2 days i couldn't go in a deep meditation
<iris> and that happens too - just go with it
<orph> same here daniel,
<orph> perhaps there's something in the air
<Daniel794> hee Orph :)
<orph> hey ;)
<iris> not every one is going to be life changing
<Daniel794> But before they were real deep
<ana181> iris....do we need to try to go to deep or too far?or...just mediate?and progress?
<iris> just meditate and let it take you wherever it does
<iris> trying too hard can prevent it for happening
<iris> enjoy the experience - relax, let it flow - it should be fun
<Daniel794> That's some good advice, but how far do you have to control it? or just be the observer?
<orph> usually, you keep the objective in mind and just let everything flow
<orph> not trying to produce any results
<orph> just observing
<Daniel794> okay
<iris> exactly
<iris> try to empty your mind - that's it
<Daniel794> Maybe I want to control it to much
<Daniel794> Ted last days
<Daniel794> that's something I can work on to just go with the flow
<LogoRat> like bruce lee once said in an interview "be formless"
<ana181> happened to everyone to be so intense and to cry afterwards?
<LogoRat> like water
<LogoRat> :)
<iris> yes, be formless
<ana181> i like this.... :))
<iris> some meditations I have cried my eyes out afterwards
<iris> some I was just filled with peace or love
<orph> for me, meditations are not that vivid usually, it are dreams that have the impact
<iris> it doesn't matter - they are all different and all help us
<LogoRat> i did this meditation once that someone gave me advice on.. to say to myself over and over "forgive me, I'm sorry" ..the reason to this is to talk to you both ways and clear out blockages inside you
<iris> and that's true too - the medium is different for each of us
<iris> and did it help?
<LogoRat> i highly recommend it
<LogoRat> i cried the whole day
<LogoRat> and my life changed pretty much after that
<ana181> happened to me the same....
<iris> because you focused meditation there
<iris> focused
<iris> when we have something we want to accomplish in meditation we focus on it
<LogoRat> mmm
<ana181> what about protection against negative energy ?
<iris> that may be by repeating it over and over again or asking our guides to direct the meditation there
<LogoRat> ah
<orph> in a group, you are somewhat protected by default
<LogoRat> k
<iris> when I begin I ask to seal my "bubble" and protect me from all negativity
<ana181> k
<iris> agreed, orph
<iris> do you want me to go over how to do it before we try?
<LogoRat> mmm i can feel its starting
<orph> I'm ready whenever we all are ( :
<Daniel794> I don't no what we are going to do
<iris> ok, I'll go over it and how it works
<Daniel794> because I was late, i had problems with log on to the chat
<iris> it's ok
<Daniel794> ok :)
<orph> today's destination is malkuth if you want to focus on traveling somewhere
<iris> when we are all ready we will say we are going but don't sign out
<ana181> k
<iris> find a comfortable place - sit or lie quietly
<Daniel794> okay
<iris> imagine yourself in a bubble
<iris> seal your bubble and ask for protection against negativity
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<iris> then we are going to fill the bubble with good positive energy
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<iris> you can imagine it coming into the head and flowing through you
<attuned> Find yourself a quiet place with minimal disturbance. Be in a restful state of mind and quiet your thoughts. Then visualize yourself in a safe, protective bubble. Ask the spirit guides to keep out all negative energy and to fill the bubble with light and love and positive energy.
<attuned> Visualize the energy swirling around inside the bubble. You can visualize the energy entering from above through your head and down through the chakras or feel it entering through the solar plexus working up and around and through you. Think positive energy in, negative energy out.
<attuned> Then quiet your mind. You can imagine yourself in a peaceful place or feel the energy rising to make you feel lighter and lighter. Then just let yourself go with it.
<attuned> Tip from Iris - If it helps one can also focus on the breathing but don’t focus on the breathing so much that you miss the meditation.
<attuned> At the end of the meditation send off the excess energy to do some good – it can be to a person, a group, a situation – a good idea is sending energy to mother earth.
<iris> thanks attuned!
<Daniel794> ok
<LogoRat> *cough* or me
<iris> now today we are going to ask to go to Malkuth - the first Sephira above the earth plane
<iris> just ask - don't think
<LogoRat> ok
<iris> try to capture the experience - sometimes it's easier to bring back stuff than other times
<iris> we do this for about 15 minutes
<Daniel794> ok
<iris> when you are finished just let us know you are back
<ana181> k
<iris> don't worry about the time - we'll be here
<iris> any questions
* LogoRat is ready
<ana181> we just need to ask....?
<Daniel794> i am ready to
<orph> *ready
<iris> to go to Malkuth - then focus on being lighter or emptying your mind
<ana181> ready.....
<iris> LogoRat, Daniel794, orph, anal181, and iris are off to meditate
<attuned> me too
<LogoRat> *poof*
<iris> oh, and attuned!
<iris> see you in 15 min or there about
<iris> bye
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<metatron001> hello all
<Darlok> they are in meditation I think
<metatron001> meditation for/on what?
<Darlok> I don't know.. they are just doing a Meditation session.... They said they'll be back in 15 mins.. should be 5 mins now
<metatron001> ok
<metatron001> i think i spoke to you b4
<metatron001> capricorn right?
<Darlok> yeah that's me :)
<metatron001> what is your name btw?
<Darlok> Rob
<Darlok> u?
<metatron001> hello rob
<metatron001> raphael
<Darlok> sup Raphael nice to meet u bro
<metatron001> same here
<Darlok> brb
<metatron001> ok
<iris> iris is back
<Daniel794> i am back to
<orph> back
<LogoRat> back
<iris> hi metatron001 - we are just returning from meditating
<iris> so how was it?
<attuned> back
<iris> I think that's all of us
<iris> anal181
<iris> anyone want to share their experience?
<orph> close to the end, I saw a representation of malkuth
<orph> castles,
<orph> divisions in fours and two's
<iris> it's divided in 4 sections
<orph> four towers on which there were worlds so to speak
<LogoRat> i felt myself moving in circles
<orph> a world of a blueish castle, one of gardens, and two others that looked less interesting ^^
<orph> the third was packed with houses, and the fourth world was like a barren field surrounded by a wall
<iris> they are in way 4 worlds - 4 parts of yourself to meet
<iris> sounds like you saw each part
<orph> will have to read up on it ( :
<iris> someone was spinning around - maybe that was you LogoRat
<orph> how about the others?
<LogoRat> mmm
<LogoRat> i was spinning alright
<iris> twirling around in the meadow
<Daniel794> I don't know if i made it to malkuth
<Daniel794> hehe
<metatron001> hello all
<iris> Hi
<orph> hey ( :
<metatron001> back
<Daniel794> I saw a purple tree and a house in the background
<Daniel794> hi
<metatron001> what's the topic?
<Daniel794> and a river flowing with many crystals in it
<LogoRat> ah yes, i remember a river
<iris> we just returned from a group meditation where we tried to go to Malkuth
<iris> you made it
<orph> I have to be off for today since it's very late, but will read the logs ^^
<iris> there is a river that
<iris> flows through
<orph> goodnight everyone ( :
<iris> ye orph - thanks for being here
<iris> for being here with us
<orph> ( :
<LogoRat> night m8, remember to hold your friends and family close to your heart
<Daniel794> good night orph
<orph> thank you all too, meditation was fun
<iris> as it should be
<orph> night night ( :
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<Daniel794> I have problems with letting myself go
<Daniel794> I think
<attuned> Daniel that sounds similar to what I saw. 2 persons in purple robes, an old house (roof made of hay), there were a few people inside around a table
<Daniel794> yes an old house
<attuned> and a very light blue colored vortex
<Daniel794> I saw the house from a distance
<Daniel794> With a purple tree at front
<Daniel794> and a pathway that was leading to the house
<Daniel794> I stood on the pathway
<LogoRat> someone came very close to me i think
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<iris> do you remember anyone in or around the house
<LogoRat> the entrance
<LogoRat> the entrance was tall
<LogoRat> i moved there for some moment and was there and saw someone walk towards me
<LogoRat> then i moved elsewhere
<iris> the purple means transformation - that's what Malkuth is all about
<Daniel794> I remember something else a strange being male with big wings and strange colors and outfit
<iris> like a birdman?
<Daniel794> yeah something like that
<Daniel794> a male
<iris> maybe a little Egyptian?
<iris> type
<Daniel794> yes
<Daniel794> I saw more persons with egyptian looks
<Daniel794> but not really egyptian
<iris> he was outside the house
<Daniel794> I thought I made this up
<Daniel794> He flew away when I came
<iris> no :)
<Daniel794> He looked at me and flew up
<Daniel794> Who is the birdman
<Daniel794> he looked like a guardian
<Daniel794> or I felt something like that
<iris> Horus is the Egyptian god
<iris> yes, a guardian
<Daniel794> very powerful
<Daniel794> Is he always there?
<iris> very
<iris> no he isn't always there
<iris> so there must have been some significance in him being there for us
<iris> there are these orders of beings
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<metatron001> hello again
<iris> they are distinguished by the color of their robes
<metatron001> got bumped
<iris> hi
<Daniel794> that's very interesting
<metatron001> does anyone know anything about working w/quartz crystals?
<iris> it seems like some kind of ceremony was taking place
<metatron001> any tips you can share?
<iris> maybe just a welcome for us
<Daniel794> I remember that I also saw something like an reptile being
<Daniel794> cool :)
<iris> yes Metatron
<iris> there is a dragon there
<metatron001> can you suggest anything?
<iris> he is green for me
<iris> I asked him to welcome you
<Daniel794> :)
<Daniel794> Who is the reptile being :P
<iris> metatron, what do you want the quartz for
<metatron001> to find new and interesting ways of working w/them
<iris> all i know is I met this dragon there a long time ago - now he helps to protect Malkuth
<Daniel794> Okay
<iris> he'll take you for a ride if you ask!
<LogoRat> metatron: have one hanging close to your heart
<Daniel794> hehe
<metatron001> what does that do?
<iris> get a bird's eye view
<LogoRat> metatron: i used it for protection and such
<metatron001> ah
<iris> do you want to know what wearing a quartz does
<LogoRat> tho now its located around my girlfriends neck while i'm away from her
<Daniel794> But what did we do this wasn't a OBE right just a view in malkuth>? or can you explain this
<metatron001> i have smoky lemurian lasers for that
<LogoRat> hehe
<metatron001> fascinating Lemurians
<metatron001> very lovely to work with
<LogoRat> mmmk
<metatron001> what else do you do?
<iris> it's like an OBE in that you are sending enough of your energy out to travel to different realms
<LogoRat> control peoples minds
<metatron001> ic
<metatron001> lol
<LogoRat> ;)
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<Daniel794> oh okay but with an OBE you leave your body and now we had projected or energy to malkuth?
<iris> well, what leaves your body - your energy
<Daniel794> I am a little new in this that why questions
<Daniel794> because I also was aware of the room I was sitting in
<Daniel794> and also saw the images
<iris> in meditation you raise the vibration of your energy so that it can leave the physical plane
<iris> yes, because art of you energy remains here in your body
<iris> part of
<Daniel794> okay
<iris> in Obe you can send out your energy and remain in physical reality
<LogoRat> i have to go to bed, take care you all
<iris> so you can see yourself
<Daniel794> I think I have to trust more at what I see and don't think I made it up, because it feels so normal
<Daniel794> ok
<iris> ok LogoRat - thanks for joining us
<Daniel794> good night
<LogoRat> my pleasure
<iris> mine too!
<iris> thanks
<LogoRat> :)
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<iris> yes - because you did experience it
<Daniel794> Ok
<Daniel794> It's getting clearer now
<iris> and the more we share similar experiences, the more you see it really is
<iris> somewhere, on some plane
<Daniel794> yes I never thought that the birdman was real hehe
<iris> well, now you got to see him!
<Daniel794> But I didn't have control over it I couldn't walk or anything the images just came
<iris> exactly!
<Daniel794> Or is it always like that
<iris> that's how it is
<Daniel794> I thought in an Obe that you could travel and sort of walk or fly where you want to go to
<iris> just empty your mind and let them come
<Daniel794> okay
<iris> I have walked and flew in meditation too
<iris> you may be thinking of OBE as staying on the earth plane
<iris> so you will see yourself
<iris> or visit familiar places you know here
<Daniel794> okay just do the same like did today but ask for a place here
<iris> so your idea of OBE is more physically connected
<iris> yes
<Daniel794> okay
<iris> the images you experienced today can be turned into a full OBE with practice
<iris> but it starts in travel meditation
<Daniel794> Last week I talked with hermes about it
<iris> it's easier to propel your energy around other realms
<iris> physical reality is very dense
<Daniel794> Okay
<Daniel794> so it is harder to travel on the physical plane then in other higher planes
<iris> for many people, yes
<iris> some people are afraid to travel beyond the earth plane so all they know is OBE here
<Daniel794> I found it a nice experience today
<iris> and some people don't recognize those images as "travel"
<Daniel794> No I didn't recognize it
<Daniel794> I tried this week
<iris> I'm glad - I was hoping everyone would have a nice experience
<Daniel794> and the meditations were deep, but didn't had any experiences or I just looked over it
<iris> see, we overlook them thinking it's our "imagination"
<iris> and try to put them out of our minds inside of experiencing them
<Daniel794> At some point in the last meditations I got a strange feeling heart beatings, or feelings like I loose consciousness and very light in the head
<iris> and sometimes they are deep with no visuals
<iris> it's normal
<Daniel794> Thank you for all the information for so far, it's really helping me to get an clearer view about this
<iris> it happens with OBE
<Daniel794> But I didn't came further
<iris> :)
<iris> it takes practice
<iris> doesn't happen all at once
<iris> our conscious selves don't want to let go
<Daniel794> I saw visual a lightbeing with one hand towards me, like he wanted to take me anywhere
<iris> keep at it - you're doing great
<Daniel794> How can you practice to let go
<Daniel794> thank you, but I am new with such experiences
<iris> now, one day you will extend your hand and take his and he will bring you places
<Daniel794> :)
<iris> just keep meditating -
<Daniel794> I just have to be patience and enjoy what i am doing
<iris> relax and go with the experience
<Daniel794> But It's cool I learned allot this evening thanks!
<iris> yes, let it happen - don't try to make it happen
<Daniel794> good advice !
<iris> :)
<iris> I'm so glad - I love to share these wonderful adventures!
<Daniel794> It was nice today, thank you for the information and the great experience
<Daniel794> I like to hear them to its great
<iris> thank you for sharing this time with us
<iris> it was a good day!
<Daniel794> But I have to go to bed, I don't now what time it is in America but in the Netherlands it is almost 01.00
<iris> we're 6 hours earlier
<Daniel794> wow so its early in the morning
<iris> go get some sleep - it's important!
<Daniel794> oh no earlier
<iris> evening
<Daniel794> ok :)
<Daniel794> Thanks again and have a nice evening
<Daniel794> till next week
<Daniel794> I think
<iris> great!
<iris> pleasant dreams!
<Daniel794> thank you bye!
<iris> bye
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<iris> anyone else have questions or comments?
<attuned> I also think it was a good day
<iris> good! I always hope you have a good meditation
<iris> and I think some of the newer people got off to a good start
<iris> it was really nice
<attuned> yes. and nice to see more people joining it
<iris> isn't it great?
<iris> we have so much we can share and learn from each other
<iris> so it's nice to put this little time aside for this
<iris> well, it's getting late and time to go
<attuned> ok
<iris> thank you for a really nice day
<attuned> and thank you.
<attuned> see you in 2 weeks?
<iris> :)
<iris> yes!
<iris> should we meditate again?
<attuned> yes
<iris> I'll have Hermes put it on the calendar
<iris> think we should try to return to Malkuth?
<attuned> I guess
<iris> there's a lot to learn there
<iris> I'll have to meditate on it :)
<iris> thank you again
<iris> and attuned, thanks for the help with the meditation instructions!
<iris> Goodnight all!
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Session Close: Thu Sep 20 19:29:57 2007