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<Destiny349> wb
<Hermes> well
<Hermes> let them go is okay
<Hermes> accept them
<Hermes> no, i would not do that
<Hermes> anytime you accept something you make it part of your reality
<LogoRat> how do you 'not accept' and still focus on the now and be calm?
<Hermes> you kick bad thoughts and feelings out of you
<Hermes> you demand they leave
<LogoRat> k
<Hermes> you refuse to let them have hold on you
<Hermes> its like getting splashed with mud
<Hermes> you would not leave the mud there would you
<Hermes> no
<Hermes> you would clean it off
<Hermes> bad thoughts and emotions are the same
<Hermes> clean them off you, banish them
<Hermes> most likely they came from someplace else
<Daniel70> okay
<LogoRat> k
<Hermes> you just picked up on the bad energy
<Hermes> and made it your own
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<Hermes> test
<Daniel70> I had a strange experience with it and did not know what happened
<Daniel70> yes thank you I learned from it to
<Daniel70> Hi Hermes did you read my question because you were off for a moment?
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<Hermes> no
<Hermes> resend it
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<Daniel70> wow I had a strange experience today with the crystal meditation
<Daniel70> I did it for the first time
<Hermes> i am back
<Daniel70> It was like some real powerful energy was present when I meditated
<Daniel70> Lightly in the head and it was like I was close to lose consciousness
<Daniel70> I just stopped because I didn't now what was happening
<Daniel70> also my view changed I had my Eyes closed but it sort of changed
<Daniel70> Hard to explain
<Destiny349> maybe you were just in a really relaxed state
<Daniel70> I did the triangle meditation
<LogoRat> F.E.A.R = False Evidence Appearing Real - Gary Busey
<Daniel70> Yeah but I meditate allot but this was something I didn't experienced before
<LogoRat> wb ;)
<Daniel70> okay
<Daniel70> shall i resend the question again or did you read it?
<attuned> [23:02] <Daniel70> wow I had a strange experience today with the crystal meditation
<attuned> [23:02] <Hermes> resend it
<attuned> [23:02] <Daniel70> I did it for the first time
<attuned> [23:02] <Daniel70> It was like some real powerful energy was present when I meditated
<attuned> [23:03] <Daniel70> Lightly in the head and it was like I was close to lose consciousness
<attuned> [23:03] <Daniel70> I just stopped because I didn't now what was happening
<attuned> [23:03] <Daniel70> also my view changed I had my Eyes closed but it sort of changed
<attuned> [23:04] <Daniel70> Hard to explain
<attuned> [23:04] <Destiny349> maybe you were just in a really relaxed state
<attuned> [23:04] <Daniel70> I did the triangle meditation
<Daniel70> thanks :)
<LogoRat> i love life
<Hermes> ok i am back
<Hermes> i keep getting disconnected
<Hermes> yes you sent me that question today
<Hermes> in email
<Hermes> if you have never done a crystal meditation it can be intense
<Hermes> there is lots of energy
<Hermes> and it can overwhelm you into a dreamy condition
<Hermes> it also
<Hermes> likes to send you out of your body
<Hermes> if you are sensitive to those things
<Hermes> so some of what you saw
<Hermes> the lights
<Hermes> was the beginning of an OBE/travel meditation
<Hermes> usually you see a dark purple color
<Hermes> and that takes you to Malkuth
<Hermes> in the Tree of Life
<Daniel70> I Yeah I am sensitive for out of body experiences but I never had one I always stopped but as intense as today I never had it before!
<LogoRat> is it possible to have protection mechanisms for yourself to not go out exploring nonphysical consciously..like to hold you focused on the physical more?
<Hermes> you mean to stay in
<Hermes> instead of traveling
<Hermes> the travel meditations are great
<Hermes> why would you want to stop that
<Daniel70> I thin fear
<Hermes> you get to meet teachers and angels
<Daniel70> because it feels really strange in the head and everything
<Hermes> well this is part of your growth process
<Daniel70> like I loose consciousness
<Hermes> you have to get over it
<Daniel70> so its not dangerous
<Hermes> no not at all
<Hermes> you will drift off
<LogoRat> i don't know either.. but there was this special day when it all stopped for me..like i got overloaded or something .. I met my friends and teachers and my "workers" and after that meeting my experience stopped
<Hermes> and for a moment see this slight
<Hermes> then find yourself in a nice green place
<Hermes> lots of plants and trees
<Hermes> a garden
<Hermes> that is the garden in Malkuth
<Daniel70> Do this happen automatically to get in Malkuth?
<Hermes> LogoRat you have been unable to travel meditation since then?
<LogoRat> i have been..but not consciously..only "memories" ..the emotional memory
<Hermes> Yes Daniel, it pretty much is automatic
<Hermes> your experience is guided
<LogoRat> oh?
<Hermes> your spirit guide is there
<Hermes> helping you get there
<LogoRat> k
<Daniel70> okay I never met one, but i have to get over the fear then
<Hermes> yes, you have to just let it happen
<LogoRat> i always hold my intent to go places and know i've been there..but don't have visual memory of the event..only emotional
<Hermes> that can happen LogoRat
<LogoRat> k
<Daniel70> Hermes do you feel the same when you have such experience?
<Hermes> but you should be able to recall something. Are you perhaps afraid to remember
<Hermes> I feared it quite a bit in the beginning
<Hermes> but I did work through it
<LogoRat> i'm not really afraid of anything anymore ..maybe that is the problem hehe
<Hermes> realize i had no one telling me it was okay
<Hermes> i was in uncharted territory
<Hermes> so it was not easy for sure
<LogoRat> k
<Daniel70> wow that's even harder
<Daniel70> I understand
<Hermes> the experiences in Malkuth are really lots of fun, wonderful
<Daniel70> what do you do when you are there
<Hermes> after one or two you will be begging for them
<Daniel70> hehe
<Daniel70> :)
<Hermes> usually you will do something
<Hermes> you will be preprogrammed
<Hermes> first time you may just be alone
<Hermes> and look around
<Hermes> next time you may meet Sandalphon
<Hermes> he may give you a gift
<Hermes> or send you on a task
<Hermes> once you complete the task
<Hermes> then you can enter the rest of the Tree of Life
<Hermes> its a kind of initiation
<Daniel70> that sounds really nice
<Daniel70> Do you remember everything when you get back
<Hermes> you should
<Daniel70> to you physical body
<Hermes> i am not sure why LogoRAt does not remember
<Hermes> you will remember more as you get better with recall
<Daniel70> But the pressure was so hard when I meditated like al energy was going into my head hehe
<Hermes> at first you experiences are simple so you can easily remember them
<Daniel70> okay
<Hermes> well you can ask that the energy be more evenly distributed
<Hermes> your spirit guides can adjust that
<Hermes> but mostly
<Hermes> you are just not used to the intense energy from the crystals so it gives pressure in the head
<Hermes> this will pass as well
<Daniel70> okay
<Daniel70> I just have to let it go
<Destiny349> do we all have more then one spirit guide ?
<Hermes> yes, take a deep breath and relax
<Daniel70> Also compliments for this website
<Hermes> thanks, I appreciate it
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<Daniel70> So much information
<Daniel70> Tomorrow I will meditate again
<Daniel70> I will see what happens then
<Hermes> it will be easier next time
<Daniel70> Yes thank you for your answers it really help me
<Hermes> glad to help
<Daniel70> to get over some fears
<Daniel70> I have to read more about the tree of life I learned it from my teacher but I have to study it for my own also
<Hermes> well its good you do not remember too much
<Hermes> experiencing it for yourself is really the best way to learn about it
<Daniel70> that's true
<Hermes> once you have some adventures to Malkuth
<Hermes> usually your meditations will start to take you to each Sephira
<Daniel70> what is sephira
<Hermes> a single sphere in the tree of life
<Daniel70> okay
<Hermes> Malkuth is a Sephira
<Hermes> as is Kether
<Hermes> that is just what they are called when you are not being specific
<Daniel70> hehe okay
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<Daniel70> But how can I interpret that if I come to several Sephira how do I now where I am
<Hermes> usually you only do one at a time
<Hermes> at least until you get the knack of it
<Hermes> it is guided
<Hermes> in the beginning
<Hermes> your experiences in the Tree of Life
<Hermes> later you will be able to just go where you want
<Daniel70> okay I am glad these are guided the first times
<Daniel70> do you see you spirit guide/s?
<Hermes> i can see them in meditation or OBE
<Hermes> but not with my physical eyes
<Daniel70> I ask to much maybe I have to just experience it
<Hermes> questions are always good
<Hermes> no one asks too much
<Daniel70> okay :)
<Daniel70> What is Obe
<Hermes> Out of Body Experience
<Daniel70> wow okay
<Daniel70> Is this on every thursday?
<Hermes> yes
<Daniel70> cool
<attuned> Hermes what about the hollow earth theory, have you been underground, seen anyone?
<Hermes> you are talking about the Lemurians
<Hermes> left over
<LogoRat> lemurians?
<Hermes> The Lemurian civilization came before the Atlantis base on the earth
<Daniel70> I heard about it to but know not much about this civilization
<Hermes> to be honest I have not had any kind of contact with them
<Hermes> i did meet someone quite reliable who met Lemurians that came from the hollow earth
<Hermes> these two people came to the surface to help mankind
<Hermes> they said that they could not return once they came here
<Hermes> as the energy with humans changes them
<Hermes> it was a strange story
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<Hermes> i never spoke to these people myself
<Hermes> it was just third party connection
<LogoRat> have you gone to the center of the earth?
<Hermes> but nonphysically
<Hermes> i have to say I have not had any experience with their cultivation
<Hermes> they are said to be xenophobic so perhaps that is why
<Hermes> i also thought that perhaps they exist more in a parallel dimension but one that is in our past
<Hermes> and the few people that do seem to make their way into our reality do so by crossing time
<Hermes> that is just a theory
<Daniel70> sorry what is hollow earth and xenophobic
<Hermes> Hollow earth says that there is a civilization of Lemurians living inside the planet
<Hermes> they are an ancient race
<Hermes> it is said that most left and evolved
<Hermes> but some remained and closed the entrances to their caverns
<Hermes> and live deep inside the earth's crust
<Daniel70> wow okay nonphysical?
<Hermes> no physical beings
<Hermes> real people
<Daniel70> how is that possible
<Hermes> well we have not tech to reach or detect anything deep within the crust of the planet
<Hermes> it is uncharted territory
<Daniel70> okay
<Hermes> the Lemurians were very much afraid of hurting the natural planet
<Hermes> their cultivation came many years before Atlantis on the earth
<Hermes> they built their civilization inside the earth in caves
<Hermes> so that they would not disturbed the planet
<Hermes> they had openings to the surface
<Hermes> and would come to the surface from time to time
<Daniel70> do they look like just normal human beings or different
<Hermes> their DNA is much older than human DNA
<Hermes> so they would look different
<Hermes> i do not know of any pictures of them however
<Daniel70> sounds interesting
<Hermes> as far as these ones that are supposed to be living now
<LogoRat> my partner is hiding from something and don't want to express emotions...what does that tell me about myself ..i am not hiding my emotions.
<Hermes> they could have evolved to look human
<Hermes> or use human DNA
<attuned> in an OBE you could go there? was there ever a place you tried to reach but couldn't, like there's some guards?
<Hermes> Yes LogRAt, if your partner is not expressing emotions toward you than you either fear that expression or fear expressing emotions yourself
<LogoRat> k
<Hermes> yes attuned I could go there, you are right
<LogoRat> how d i deal with my fear
<Hermes> most places are open to me
<Hermes> few are closed
<Hermes> these days
<Hermes> in the early days of OBE that was not the case
<attuned> oh?
<Hermes> i will have to put it on my list of things to check out
<Hermes> my theory with Hollow Earth is that they exist but in the past
<LogoRat> yeh do that..and check the dark side of the moon
<Hermes> and they time travel to reach our time
<Hermes> like a parallel world that exist in our past but also exist along side of us
<Hermes> i think
<Hermes> if you were to find these hollow earth people
<Hermes> you would have to travel some time doorway to reach them
<Hermes> but that is just a feeling on it
<Hermes> LogoRat the moon is a good place to OBE to as well
<Hermes> but very quiet place
<LogoRat> oh?
<LogoRat> k
<Hermes> :)
<LogoRat> :) ill focus my intent on it tonight then
<attuned> in an obe how do you know if you're in the past or present?
<Hermes> now you can also visit Mars in an OBE and travel to the the past and see the civilization that was.
<Hermes> that is an interesting place
<Hermes> to set you sights on
<Hermes> there is much life in the universe
<Hermes> it is just not all happening at the same time
<Daniel70> wow there is much possible
<Hermes> but in OBE or travel mediation you can travel backward or forward in time if you like
<LogoRat> nice
<LogoRat> mmm
<Daniel70> How can you arrange that
<Hermes> you just ask your spirit guide to take you there
<Hermes> then be patient
<Hermes> and keep practicing your travel mediation or OBE
<Hermes> you will find yourself there on one of your adventures
<LogoRat> when i feel like crying because i miss my partner verymuch..does it help me to get closer to my partner?
<Hermes> does what help?
<LogoRat> to cry
<LogoRat> letting energy flow
<Hermes> crying is an emotional release mechanism to relive tension
<LogoRat> or am i wasting energy?
<LogoRat> k
<Hermes> so it will make you feel better
<LogoRat> ok
<Hermes> relive- releve
<LogoRat> mmmm
<Daniel70> But I have to go, sleep a bit.
<Daniel70> thank you Hermes! and all the others that joined
<Hermes> Relieve <--- that is the word
<LogoRat> take care daniel
<Hermes> good evening Daniel
<Daniel70> I will be here next thursday because its very interesting
<Daniel70> thank you!
<Daniel70> Bye
<Hermes> bye
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<LogoRat> so hermes..how do i deal with the fear of lack of expression of emotions from my partner?
<LogoRat> that is my final question
<LogoRat> :)
<Hermes> first how are your emotional expression toward your partner
<Hermes> is that okay
<LogoRat> yes
<Hermes> then, is there some reason why you would not want your partner to express herself emotionally
<Hermes> to you
<LogoRat> i want her to express herself more..she just stopped because of tons of work at home.
<LogoRat> and it makes me feel uncomfortable
<Hermes> so she is getting distant
<LogoRat> yes
<Hermes> have you talked to her about it
<Hermes> that is usually the first thing to do
<LogoRat> yes
<LogoRat> and she says "lots of work..mmmkaybye"
<LogoRat> hehe
<LogoRat> well it gets better
<LogoRat> i accept it..but still want to deal with it in myself if possible
<Hermes> perhaps you have just lost that spark from when you first met. Have you tried to do those little things you used to do when you first met
<Hermes> its easy to get complaisant
<Hermes> you stop doing those small things that make the magick
<Hermes> than she stops
<Hermes> before you know it you are stuck in a niche
<LogoRat> yeh it stopped when she had to work her ass off
<Hermes> i sense anger there toward her job
<LogoRat> yes she hates it
<LogoRat> and hates to be pissed about it
<Hermes> but do you hate it
<Hermes> are you angry at her job or working too much
<Hermes> this can create an anger barrier between the two of you
<Hermes> and push her away
<LogoRat> i'm frustrated
<LogoRat> not towards her though
<Hermes> well if she needs this job than it may be a good idea to learn to accept it and work around it
<LogoRat> mmyeah
<Hermes> if you have anger toward her job
<Hermes> that will project into her
<LogoRat> need to find the space in between
<Hermes> she will be angry at her job
<LogoRat> ok
<LogoRat> ahhh
<Hermes> you are a mirror for her as well
<LogoRat> true
<Hermes> so if your mirror is more accepting
<Hermes> than that can help to diminish the bad energy building around the issue
<LogoRat> oh... something poppedup in my mind..
<LogoRat> like if i accept, she will move away
<LogoRat> ahh ok
<Hermes> she will move away from where
<Hermes> from you
<LogoRat> yeah because i don't focus on the communication
<LogoRat> complicated heheh
<Hermes> well communication is important. I am just saying to try to accept the situation of her working
<LogoRat> but ill deal with it
<LogoRat> yeh that is no problem
<LogoRat> just know that she misses me a living hell as well as i miss her..so the work is in the way yes
<Hermes> well you need to be creative
<LogoRat> k
<Hermes> to find ways to express your feelings to each other around the work issue
<Hermes> but first you have to get rid of the anger toward her job
<Hermes> that will change much if you can do that
<LogoRat> ok
<LogoRat> cool
<LogoRat> tricky lol
<LogoRat> hehe
<Hermes> they always are
<LogoRat> yeh ..challenges
<LogoRat> ill beat the system
<LogoRat> moahah
<LogoRat> thx for the advice m8
<Hermes> np
<Hermes> attuned have you had any experiences with the Hollow Earth people
<Hermes> why did you ask about them
<attuned> no..
<Hermes> i actually forgot all about them myself
<attuned> I'm just checking some theories and stories
<Hermes> its strange
<attuned> how do you prove a theory to yourself
<Hermes> i can for example focus on visiting these people
<Hermes> and travel in obe
<Hermes> and meet them
<Hermes> but now
<Hermes> you have to wonder
<Hermes> are they in our probability line
<Hermes> or dimension
<LogoRat> why not forget about the people and just go into the place they are in
<attuned> right
<LogoRat> either the earth is compact or its hollow hehe
<Hermes> it is easy to visit these places in the nonphysical but harder to determine just where you are and when
<attuned> and how do you know if it's in the past or present
<attuned> yes
<Hermes> but some investigation will yield some data
<Hermes> i like to ask John (Sandalphon) about these things
<Hermes> he usually can give a straight answer on these things
<LogoRat> is there a way to help a partner by taking them to a place of relaxation on the nonphysical..do you have any suggestions?
<Hermes> sure, you can meet with them in a shared dream or OBE and give them some attention
<LogoRat> k
<Hermes> i use that medium all the time to find out about things
<LogoRat> k
<Hermes> people are so closed physically
<LogoRat> mmmm
<Hermes> but on the nonphysical they open right up
<LogoRat> yeh
<Hermes> you can usually spot the problem straight away there
<LogoRat> nice
<Hermes> i will often do healings on people on the nonphyscial
<LogoRat> ohh
<Hermes> this then transposes over to the physical plane
<LogoRat> :)
<LogoRat> thx, ill keep that in mind..gonna go to bed now a release some energy inside me and then take my partner for a ride
<attuned> you were talking about wands, how do you use that and for doing what?
<LogoRat> goodnight people
<Hermes> ok logorat have a good night
<Hermes> i love wands
<attuned> bye logo
<Hermes> i have a healing wand
<LogoRat> bye
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<Hermes> it has a lemurian healer crystal in one end and a rose quartz sphere in the other
<Hermes> i use that to heal just about anything on myself
<Hermes> and the dog
<Hermes> and others when the time presents itself
<Hermes> you hold it over the area that needs healing and gently work the energy into the area
<Hermes> kind of like scribbling
<Hermes> after a bit you get a sense for what you are doing
<Hermes> and can actually feel the energy go from you to it
<Hermes> my other wand is the fire wand
<Hermes> i use that to charge crystals
<Hermes> create my banishing pentagrams to ward away dark energy
<Hermes> and negative energy
<Hermes> the fire wand too has a crystal at one end
<Hermes> the other end is just closed
<Hermes> i never got round to taking those pictures for Orph
<attuned> have a picture of that?
<attuned> ah
<Hermes> I will try to do that and put them up on the web
<attuned> do you say something while using it?
<Hermes> for healing i use the OLAP (oh-el-aa-pay)
<Hermes> as it helps to unlock more energy
<attuned> so why the wand, not just hold the crystals?
<Hermes> the wand delivers a bigger charge
<Hermes> you can use wood or metal
<Hermes> what happens is the wood or metal helps to connect you to the crystal
<Hermes> in a better way than by touching the crystal
<attuned> why is that
<Hermes> the crystal works better when it is not held
<Hermes> your body energy in direct contact with the crystal diminishes its power
<Hermes> your body power and its are incompatible
<Hermes> the wood or metal acts like a transformer
<Hermes> changing the energy to a more compatible form for both of you
<Hermes> also
<Hermes> the wood and metal store a charge
<Hermes> like a battery
<Hermes> so the more you use it
<Hermes> the more energy it stores
<Hermes> it stores
<Hermes> this stored energy also increases the power
<Hermes> you can use hold a crystal and use it
<Hermes> but wands tend to work a bit better
<Hermes> can use = can just
<Hermes> do you have any crystals there you can experiment with
<Hermes> get a piece of wood, a branch or something and tie the crystal to it with some string
<Hermes> then try to feel the difference between using just a crystal and with the wand
<attuned> ok
<Hermes> it would be better to hollow out the tip of the wood
<Hermes> but use the string for now as an easy test
<Hermes> well i guess that is about it
<Hermes> any other questions
<Hermes> before i depart
<attuned> I'll try that
<attuned> nothing else
<Hermes> good to see you again
<Hermes> i will see you next week then
<attuned> ok
<Hermes> ok night
Session Close: Thu Sep 13 18:52:46 2007
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