reality creating disease; the sword meditation; seeing knights in the nonphysical and in dreams; entheogenics plants, salvia divinorum and Calea zacatechichi; group meditation with adventures; the power of the tongue
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Session Start: Thu Apr 05 16:30:17 2001
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*** Topic is 'Astral Projection, Lucid Dreams and more are yours to explore!'
<Hermes`> hello, hello, hello
<Attuned> hello 2u2
<Hermes`> okay what exciting things are happening
<Attuned> I have a question. People who get tough diseases, where they're
in pain for a long time, waiting to die. Does that happen to them cause of
their "usual" reality creating, or it has to do with bad karma too?
<Hermes`> well it mostly has to do with bad reality creating. Because
even if it was due to karma, there are always two ways to pay back karma,
the easy nice way and the hard unpleasant way.
<Attuned> which are those?
<Hermes`> usually with disease People create it out of attention of
sympathy. They take on the unpleasantness because of the attention they get
<Hermes`> they think that if they create this awful thing, People will
treat them differently
<Attuned> oh right! that kinda slipped my mind
<Attuned> yes that is so obvious
<Hermes`> it is sad because they are unaware of the beast they are unleashing
<MagicMan`> oh hello soren, attuned, hermes
<Hermes`> of course most times People who create this stuff are unaware
of it, as they don't respect the power of the mind to create what it focuses
<xoo> hi hermes,pure,magic
<Attuned> hey Sor, nice you're back to meditate :)
<Hermes`> nate (who you do not know) is going to do a delayed meditation
with us, and then report back to see if he could tune into what we all experience.
<xoo> Attuned:nice to see u all too
<Attuned> oh a new one in our forces, ay :)
<Hermes`> it will be an interesting test to see what happens
<Hermes`> I'll let everyone know next week if he comes up with something.
<xoo> hermes I was curious to know if in Camelot the teach some kind
of meditation related to the sword
<Hermes`> I'm sure they do
<Hermes`> the sword also represents the tongue
<Hermes`> as the tongue can kill just as easily as the sword
<Hermes`> so meditation on the proper use of the sword energy would
<Hermes`> though I have never did a sword meditation, it would be a
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<xoo> I see
<iris^> Hi everyone!
<Attuned> hey Iris
<Hermes`> soren did someone at Camelot mention to you about the sword
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<Hermes`> so we have a full crew here for a meditation, how about we
start now, who is in
<Attuned> let's ohmmmmmmmm
<Hermes`> Iris, Magicman, soren, you ready?
<Attuned> seems Iris is in a lag, so is Magic who says he won't
<xoo> I asked u because I spoke with a man that do astral travels and
he said that some entities dressed like knights
<xoo> teach him that things
<xoo> so I recalled Camelot
<xoo> ready in 5 mins
<xoo> hi iris,jsn
<Hermes`> yes most likely they are from Camelot, those knights he sees
<MagicMan`> not me
<iris^> I'll be ready in a minute
<MagicMan`> I am just watching, go ahead
<Hermes`> and also the archangel Khamael appears as a knight sometimes
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<Attuned> ah you've made it, welcome
<xoo> oh another pure
<Hermes`> a friend of yours Attuned
<xoo> hermes,do you know about entheogenics plants?
<Attuned> yes, he's been here before
<Hermes`> is that an herb soren?
<xoo> yeah is a name related to some herbs that help u to look inside
<Hermes`> so tell us a bit about them
<Hermes`> from what you know
<xoo> one of this plants is salvia divinorum
<xoo> a special type of salvia that grew in Mexico... I was able to
get a bit of it and I'm doing some test/research
<xoo> from what I read it helps u to get rid of ur ego till only your
conscious remain..and it promises nice trips
<Hermes`> does it put you in some kind of altered state
<xoo> other entheogenics plants are peyote,datura(the carlo's castaneda
one)and some mushrooms
<xoo> Hermes`:I tried it and I just got some buzz the first time
<xoo> other times I got some nice altered state of consciousness but
I don't know how to explain them..but nothing so strong or astonishing until
<Hermes`> are there any kinds of dosage or cautions with this herb?
<xoo> the cautions are to take it with a relaxed mental setting
<xoo> and relaxed ambient..your home,soft music,incense,meditation before
<xoo> is not a 'party drug',is more for 'illumination'
<xoo> btw,what I wanted to speak about is another herb:)
<xoo> is called Calea zacatechichi and it helps inducing lucid dreams
<xoo> and to recall dreams better
<Hermes`> have you tried this herb too
<xoo> yap and this works:)
<Hermes`> well just be very careful with these herbs, they seem a bit
<xoo> I noticed increased dreams,I remember them very well,got some
lucid one..and such
<Hermes`> iris have you heard anything about these herbs?
<xoo> yeah,the salvia is powerful..calea is very nice
<Hermes`> the important thing to watch out for is that you don't become
dependent on these herbs to have these experiences.
<iris^> no, not at all
<Hermes`> I think they can show you the possibilities within yourself,
but then it is up to you to develop the skills without the drugs
<Hermes`> or herb
<Hermes`> Shaman used them to open up a students mind, to show them
<Hermes`> and then it was up to the student to do the rest.
<Hermes`> Iris you there, you ready to meditate
<xoo> yeah I'm of the same idea:
<iris^> almost - I'm on a phone call
<xoo> interesting link for Calea:www.shamansgarden.com/calea-dreampage.html
<Hermes`> very long page
<Hermes`> be back in a moment
<Attuned> I'm going offline, and probably won't be back, but will be
doing the meditation. so bye
<iris^> I'm good to go
<iris^> with this enhancing experiences through chemical means, I think
we lose part of the learning process
<xoo> I think that can be part of learning process if we don't abuse
<iris^> but we relinquish our power that way
<iris^> it's a trade off
<iris^> not saying it's bad, I just think we need to realize that when
we depend on something else or someone else to get us where we want to go
<xoo> of course is more simple to use herbs plants or drugs instead
of depend of ourselves
<iris^> we give up part of ourselves to that something
<iris^> yes, with better results faster probably
<xoo> yeah but the fastest way is not the better
<iris^> but sooner or later we have to learn to do it without help
<iris^> so I guess I think why not do it that way from the start?
<xoo> but I think that used seldomly and with a brain they can help,cause I see the plants as part of the world
<xoo> and we are part of the world
<iris^> so are poison mushrooms, but we wouldn't eat them :)
<xoo> well took in lil doses the amanita muscaria(red mushrooms with
white points)have pshychedelic effects:P
<xoo> lets start med?is getting late..
<Iris^> and some of the other varieties - in small doses will kill you
<iris^> ok ready when everyone else is
<Hermes`> okay let's start
<iris^> is it just the three of us?
<iris^> magic isn't in
<Hermes`> yea just the three of us, and amazed but she won't be back
to talk about it
<iris^> that's what I though
<xoo> see u in 15mins
* Hermes` gone for 15 med
<xoo> back,gone for a while
* Hermes` back
<Hermes`> okay how did you do soren?
<Hermes`> mine was quick, so I'll go first.
<Hermes`> I got lots of nothing in this med, but did get some stuff...
<Hermes`> I saw the sun, then I found myself in Tiphareth. I noted while
there how the two had very similar energies...
<Hermes`> then I saw a farmhouse...
<Hermes`> finally it ended with a man carrying too much on his shoulders.
<Hermes`> that's it
<Hermes`> iris you there?
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<MagicMan`> it seems no one is
<Hermes`> I know
<xoo> lots of nothing too,but I felt a lot of energy
<xoo> and I saw a girl with red hairs and jacket jeans
<xoo> a crow..and a bridge over some kind of sea in the distance
<xoo> that's it
<iris^> I'm back
<Hermes`> I had a crow last week
<Hermes`> for me last week the crow was a spirit familiar
<Hermes`> iris what did you get
<iris^> I had lots of energy and lots of nothing and some strange things
<iris^> I met with several people in the meadow and then found myself
in that tomb in Egypt again
<iris^> then three others came in
<iris^> we stood around the tomb - at first a woman tried to open it
<iris^> I said it was disrespectful and had to stay closed
<iris^> then we put our hands in the center in some kind of pool of
<iris^> then I think I was with xoo on a hill with the dragon in Camelot
<iris^> next we were in the meadow again and a sword appeared stuck
in the ground in front of him
<iris^> then I heard a voice say
<iris^> a sword can end a life quickly by slicing off a head
<iris^> but the tongue can destroy a life just as quickly and terribly
<iris^> I also saw two large beings at different times during the med
<iris^> one was a woman - looked like a triangle shape from head to
<iris^> the other was tall and slim - I saw sideways
<iris^> sort of gray robe with a hood
<iris^> I think that's about it
<Hermes`> the sword thing certainly goes along with what we were talking
about earlier, when soren asked about the sword meditation
<xoo> we were just speaking about that before
<iris^> and I am pretty sure it appeared in front of him
<iris^> they made a point of how destructive the tongue (what we say)
<Hermes`> yea most people do not realize the power of words
<xoo> from a RC point?
<Hermes`> more in how what you say and how you say it can hurt others
<iris^> yeah that's what I think they meant
<Hermes`> especially when you are angry and lashing out, then things
fly out of the mouth uncontrolled
<iris^> like the sword flew out across the neck - away went the head
<xoo> eh maybe is a way to say:hey soren silence is gold:)
<xoo> for sure it was explicit
<Hermes`> yea you find that the more you evolve the less you say
<xoo> also if don't remember of you..also if thought during meditation
<iris^> or choose your words carefully :)
<MagicMan`> see you all
<iris^> bye magic
<xoo> for sure iris took me to some place and as usual I'll don't know
<iris^> I wanted you to enjoy the dragon and maybe see some knights
- they sometimes are there with the dragon
<iris^> but we weren't there long when I found us in that meadow with
the sword in the ground in front of you
<Hermes`> I wonder if it was near that farmhouse I saw briefly
<iris^> was there a stone wall somewhere near there?
<Hermes`> it could of been the back of the house
<Hermes`> it was like a wall, very long
<Hermes`> well not bad
<Hermes`> the meditations connect a bit
<xoo> lot of nothing btw..but also lot of energy,sometimes fastidious,at
least for me
<Hermes`> well it is okay to get nothing in meditation,
<iris^> lots of energy for me too
<Hermes`> sometimes it is the energy that is most important
<xoo> ok,nice to meditate with u again..now I'm going to bed
<xoo> see u!
<Hermes`> night soren
<Hermes`> oh well time to go
<Hermes`> see everyone
<iris^> same here
<iris^> bye all - thanks
Session Close: Thu APR 05 19:20:00 2001